tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post8285203186095474036..comments2023-05-11T04:57:33.365-07:00Comments on Trees For Lunch: The Pink Swastika part IIUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-30822440665206570532010-03-11T07:39:19.481-08:002010-03-11T07:39:19.481-08:00Ok.... Sorry, I was snappy. I do not even pollute ...Ok.... Sorry, I was snappy. I do not even pollute my eyes with reading what Marcus writes. I learned that a long time ago. I have no time for that. Funny thing is, JD bans other people for a host of reasons, allows that guy to basically spew hate speech and deface his blog, does not seem to question why a guy like that comes to his blog. He has never come to mine, and I have never seen him anywhere else. Funny thing.tinkbell13https://www.blogger.com/profile/03322413631736929191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-9558265489585349702010-03-11T00:11:07.858-08:002010-03-11T00:11:07.858-08:00No, Marchus is the sympathizer.No, Marchus is the sympathizer.ATVLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429750754446304918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-82864295272551716802010-03-10T22:54:33.810-08:002010-03-10T22:54:33.810-08:00Oh yeah genius, if me agreeing that there was gay ...Oh yeah genius, if me agreeing that there was gay Nazi's makes me a sympathizer, so be it. Must be good to sit in a world where you can summarize one's political sympathies based on two sentences.tinkbell13https://www.blogger.com/profile/03322413631736929191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-76168100328847976622010-03-10T22:52:23.257-08:002010-03-10T22:52:23.257-08:00Once again, completely over your head. No shock.Once again, completely over your head. No shock.tinkbell13https://www.blogger.com/profile/03322413631736929191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-61159491559555979962010-03-10T17:10:27.465-08:002010-03-10T17:10:27.465-08:00What we are all laughing at you for is your inabil...<i>What we are all laughing at you for is your inability to see through the agenda of the information and the way that they have purposely skewed this information to suit their needs. Consequently, the real punchline is that you are incapable of this because you so readily accept bad information as being feasible</i><br /><br />What is so lazy here is nobody wants to do the requisite works and show that their leadership was NOT disproportionately gay. I just asked if there was any information refuting it. That doesnt seem to be the case. <br /><br />Yes, I did check out the Throckmorton site provided. It does little to dispell anything. It cites exactly 2 sources. One, speaks of the "Rohm purge" but doesnt mention that many of those that carried it out were said to be homosexuals themselves.<br /><br />Furthermore, it's becoming is now being said that Hitler himself was a homosexual.<br /><br />"The respected German historian Lothar Machtan even claims in his book that Hitler ordered the deaths of several high-ranking Nazis to prevent the secret of his homosexuality from surfacing.<br /><br />He refers to scores of historical documents to support his thesis. In 1915, the young Hitler was a dispatch rider at the front in France. Years later, yet before Hitler became infamous, one of his fellow soldiers, Hans Mend, wrote in his memoirs: 'At night, Hitler lay with Schmidl, his male whore.' Schmidl, otherwise known as Ernst Schmidt, and Hitler were 'inseparable lovers' for five years, according to Machtan. <br /><br />Police reports from Munich after the First World War also suggest that Hitler was pursued by police because of his sexual orientation. 'As a "brown" [fascist] activist, Hitler managed to lure many young men to his side, but not only for political reasons" <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/07/books.booksnews" rel="nofollow">Link</a>J Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12746127431922685446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-55950688006238246172010-03-10T12:46:02.810-08:002010-03-10T12:46:02.810-08:00And, you know, what you have also failed to notice...<i>And, you know, what you have also failed to notice is that not one of us has denied that there was gay Nazi's. To suggest that there was not is completely insane because that is statistically impossible</i>. <br /><br />Even the Nazi symphasiser in the last thread didn't deny there were gay Nazi's.ATVLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429750754446304918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-21233916702305458372010-03-10T09:19:39.587-08:002010-03-10T09:19:39.587-08:00And, you know, what you have also failed to notice...And, you know, what you have also failed to notice is that not one of us has denied that there was gay Nazi's. To suggest that there was not is completely insane because that is statistically impossible. What we are all laughing at you for is your inability to see through the agenda of the information and the way that they have purposely skewed this information to suit their needs. Consequently, the real punchline is that you are incapable of this because you so readily accept bad information as being feasible.tinkbell13https://www.blogger.com/profile/03322413631736929191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-14807772925870964012010-03-10T09:11:58.073-08:002010-03-10T09:11:58.073-08:00That is where you will always go wrong, why you ca...That is where you will always go wrong, why you can never hold in your own in any debate.<br /><br />You do not make the distinction between experts and journalists. I see you do this all of the time. Journalists are good researchers, they are good at unearthing the facts, condensing them into a form that is easily understandable, and relaying them to the general public. Experts are getting down and dirty in universities, They create the facts that the journalists so easily skew and misinterpret. They actually do the work (Professor Evans).<br /><br />You really have no idea about the research process. That is why your arguments are the rhetorical equivalent of a house of cards. You do not have a foundation because you are too lazy to do the work.tinkbell13https://www.blogger.com/profile/03322413631736929191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-37326936031629823642010-03-09T16:23:35.413-08:002010-03-09T16:23:35.413-08:00And, moron, while "laypeople" like you m...And, moron, while "laypeople" like you may consider Shirer to be an expert, I would suggest that you compare the writings of Evans with Shirer's list. Evans has a long list of publications that were published and supported by universities, all academic writings. Shirer has a long list of books that were published away from academic support, and a list of non fiction as well. Shirer worked as a reporter and journalist, Evans has devoted his life to academic pursuits.<br /><br />In other words, the work of people like Evans is what Shirer reports and writes about.tinkbell13https://www.blogger.com/profile/03322413631736929191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-85037099879775498012010-03-09T16:17:00.008-08:002010-03-09T16:17:00.008-08:00If I were to go and consult sources to begin to de...If I were to go and consult sources to begin to develop an idea on Nazi Germany, I would consult the following list.<br /><br />1. Professor Richard J Evans- a renowned historian and one of the leading experts on the Nazi period, and also the recently appointed Regius Professor of Modern History at the University of Cambridge.<br /><br />2.Nazi Germany (Short Oxford History of Germany) by Jane Caplan. This book, because Oxford has published it is considered to be up-to-date level by experts who have established reputations from major research publications on their area.<br /><br />3. I would also go to scholary databasese like OVID, etc, and search for the latest research publications that have been done on the topic that I am looking for. <br /><br />4. Then, if all else failed, and I still needed info, I would go to Google Scholar and see what else is out there.<br /><br />Then, I would present my findings, and be prepared to support my conjecture with references within what I read. Do you like my answer?<br /><br />Research involves more than Googling sweetheart.tinkbell13https://www.blogger.com/profile/03322413631736929191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-88550444378445416202010-03-09T10:39:26.753-08:002010-03-09T10:39:26.753-08:00Allright Tink. Who in the Western world is consid...Allright Tink. Who in the Western world is considered a more credible source that Shirer?J Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12746127431922685446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-60099355842834463352010-03-09T08:19:48.235-08:002010-03-09T08:19:48.235-08:00You really expect us to argue something that is so...You really expect us to argue something that is so completely off base that it is irrational? What you have done is completely backwards.... You posted bullshit extremist propaganda that is slightly (1/10) rooted in reality, if you see my first postings. Then, instead of defending it, you expect us to refute it. And, to make it worse, you will consider this posting a personal victory because (in your eyes) none of us bothered to engage you with what is, to a normal person, a completely unfounded position based on the opinions and pontifications of a few writers.<br /><br />Why don't you look for something credible and canonized instead of this. This is why you could never be an academic. You choose sources to suit what you want to say. What normal people do is consult sources, and based on the information that they find, develop and opinion and refine what they say based on their research.tinkbell13https://www.blogger.com/profile/03322413631736929191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-5642357255438454562010-03-09T05:24:28.616-08:002010-03-09T05:24:28.616-08:00I was mostly referring to the word 'und' w...I was mostly referring to the word 'und' which would suggest that there were two seperate groups in play here.J Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12746127431922685446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-48410707248875257462010-03-08T19:45:22.401-08:002010-03-08T19:45:22.401-08:00British Union of Fascists would sing a version of ...British Union of Fascists would sing a version of the song.<br />(I could only remember two lines but I've found the rest with Google. The BUF offically disbanded in the 1940's but actually became other organisations.)<br /><i><br />Comrades, the voices of the dead battalions,<br />Of those who fell that Britain might be great,<br />Join in our song, for they still march in spirit with us,<br />And urge us on to gain the fascist state!<br />(Repeat Last Two Lines)<br /><br />We're of their blood, and spirit of their spirit,<br />Sprung from that soil for whose dear sake they bled,<br />Against vested powers, Red Front, and massed ranks of reaction,<br />We lead the fight for freedom and for bread!<br />(Repeat Last Two Lines)<br /><br />The streets are still, the final struggle's ended;<br />Flushed with the fight we proudly hail the dawn!<br />See, over all the streets the fascist banners waving,<br />Triumphant standards of our race reborn</i>!Glen20https://www.blogger.com/profile/09639357470728423171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-65680875858193037022010-03-08T19:35:46.329-08:002010-03-08T19:35:46.329-08:00"Kameraden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschos..."Kameraden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen"<br /><br />It's worse than that.<br />There's no particle before "Reaktion" <br />And "erschossen" is ambiguous.<br />So the sentence could mean:<br />"Our comrades who were shot by the Rotfrontkämpferbund" <br />or<br />"Our comrades who have shot the Rotfrontkämpferbund"<br />(Erschossen is past tense)<br /><br />I believe the reactionaries were the liberal democratic German government of the Weimar Republic period, which made several unsuccessful attempts to suppress the SA.Glen20https://www.blogger.com/profile/09639357470728423171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-26771669310698832762010-03-08T19:26:54.182-08:002010-03-08T19:26:54.182-08:00I still havent seen a single refutation of the abo...I still havent seen a single refutation of the above 2 men, Shirer and Langer. If anyone knows of any, post it here and we'll check it out. <br /><br /><br />Glen, I can see where you are coming from. I think I'll make my next entry on the political spectrum that I posted in my above entry timestamped at 5:31. It's a seperate issue and I'll give it it's own thread.J Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12746127431922685446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-84424559044159968802010-03-08T19:09:33.640-08:002010-03-08T19:09:33.640-08:00Wessel was murdered by Communist reactionaries cal...<i>Wessel was murdered by Communist reactionaries called the Redfront</i><br /><br />Let's see here, the key words here are <i>die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen</i>. TRANSLATION: "the Red Front AND reactionaries"<br /><br />Exactly where did you come up with the concept of "Communist reactionaries"? A google search turned up nothing. <br /><br />Answers.com reveals... Reactionary: "The Nazis did not consider themselves reactionary, and numbered the forces of reaction (Prussian monarchists, nobility, Roman Catholic) among their enemies right next to their Red Front enemies in the Nazi Party march Die Fahne hoch". <br /><br />So were these "Communist reactionaries" you described trying to restore Prussian monarchy and uphold Roman Catholicism? If you could show that you can rewrite history ATVLC and stand history departments worldwide on their heads. It seems nobody else is privileged to this information other than yourself.J Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12746127431922685446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-44661385260315554702010-03-08T16:30:09.623-08:002010-03-08T16:30:09.623-08:00Maybe a political discourse which shorthands every...Maybe a political discourse which shorthands everything along a single dimension (left and right) is an impoverished discourse that grotesquely oversimplifies everything.<br /><br />Nonetheless given that we've been operating with precisely this mental map since the 18th c. or thereabouts, and given that Nazism and fascism have been fixed stuck nailed to the right-ward end of this spectrum for as long as we've all been writing and thinking about them, J.D. and co. notwithstanding, well: you're the one who has to deliver the profound insights that prove we've all been doing it wrong all these years.Glen20https://www.blogger.com/profile/09639357470728423171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-77088360516037023992010-03-08T15:30:31.468-08:002010-03-08T15:30:31.468-08:00I just saw a commercial that embodies JD so well. ...I just saw a commercial that embodies JD so well. It encapsulates him so well that I had to get up and post this right away. He suffers from puffery. Puffery is statements based on grandiose and exaggerated statements and opinions, not on fact. Love it, could not have coined that better myself.tinkbell13https://www.blogger.com/profile/03322413631736929191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-13677872674437238822010-03-08T14:20:50.247-08:002010-03-08T14:20:50.247-08:00I already gave him the stats to realistically supp...I already gave him the stats to realistically support a little bit of his insanity, but he refused to acknowledge them. Probably for two reasons. 1. He didnt understand. or 2. He really wants to promote this bullshit. Or a little of both.tinkbell13https://www.blogger.com/profile/03322413631736929191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-73897366505798943472010-03-08T14:20:46.843-08:002010-03-08T14:20:46.843-08:00There are 2 glaring error (sic) here.
1) Insofar ...<i>There are 2 glaring error (sic) here.<br /><br />1) Insofar as the "reactionary right", why (in the Nazi Party anthem Horst Wesssel (sic) Lied) is our protagonist battling against "reactionaries"? If reactionaries are, as you put it, on the right, where did that put a Nazi hero like Wessel</i>?<br /><br />I said "reactionary right" not that all reactionaries are on the right. <br /> <br />Wessel was murdered by Communist reactionaries called the Redfront. Hence this lines.<br /><br /><b>Kameraden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen,<br />Marschieren im Geist in unseren Reihen mit</b>!<br /><br />Our friends shot by the Redfront Reactionaries march with us in spirit today!ATVLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429750754446304918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-86595755182224081002010-03-08T14:12:38.234-08:002010-03-08T14:12:38.234-08:00One of the conclusions offered at the end of The P...<i>One of the conclusions offered at the end of The Pink Swastika is that such Nazi fashion is popular in gay circles till (sic) this day</i>.<br /><br />What about soldiers uniforms? And navy uniforms? I hear they are popular is homosexual fetish circles. What does that say about the founding of the military?<br />And so is police uniforms, I hear. What does that say about the founding of the police force?<br /><br />What you basically been asking people to do is prove that the Nazis weren't homosexual. <br /><br />I was tried to illustrate the lunacy of trying to prove historical figures weren't homosexual by asking you to prove Jesus wasn't homosexual.ATVLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429750754446304918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-22951453067937023702010-03-08T14:02:50.792-08:002010-03-08T14:02:50.792-08:00ATVLC, let me propose a simple political spectrum ...<i>ATVLC, let me propose a simple political spectrum for you (from left to right)..<br /><br />Fascism Communism-->Socialism-->Liberalism-->Centrists(Moderation)-->Conservatives-->Libertarian</i>s<br /><br />Fascism is a right wing ideology. A far right ideology. [1] <br /><br />Mussolini regarded it as such.<br /><br />From the Doctrine of Fascism<br />"We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'Right', a Fascist century."<br /><br />And on page 15 begins by describing fascism as the opposite of everything left wing and and ends with "The Fascist negation of socialism, democracy, liberalism, should not, however, be interpreted as..."<br /><br />I'm beginning to feel like I've been trolled.<br /><br />[1] Stanley G. Payne, Fascism: Comparison and Definition. 1983.<br />Lyons, Matthew N.. "What is Fascism? Some General Ideological Features"<br />Eatwell, Roger, Che cos'è il fascismo? Interpretazioni e prospettive di ricerche, 2003<br />...so many books describe fascism as right-wing that I couldn't cite them all.ATVLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429750754446304918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-13420222783450877062010-03-08T07:20:58.283-08:002010-03-08T07:20:58.283-08:00Having worked with the likes of "James Thurbe...Having worked with the likes of "James Thurber, Elliot Paul, Hemingway, the Fitzgeralds, Isadora Duncan, Ezra Pound and...Gertrude Stein" would give nearly anyone instant credibility as a writer.<br /><br />Deep inside of me there's a history professor that's trying to get out.- Love this. But, you know, being a history professor requires objectivity, being open minded, actually being able to understand the facts, and intelligence and hard work. You possess not one of these qualities in your approach to history.<br /><br />Working with "writers" does not give you crediblity. If that was the case, the people who work with writers- like agents, typists, and even receptionists have credibility. You do not understand that term.<br /><br />I love the Internet. But, it also opened the world to trash like this allowing you to think that you are "smart" enough to be broadcasting your skewed and childish ideas. Unreal.tinkbell13https://www.blogger.com/profile/03322413631736929191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-69270496049799840162010-03-08T05:53:22.381-08:002010-03-08T05:53:22.381-08:00extreme nationalism is usually identified with the...<i>extreme nationalism is usually identified with the reactionary right, as is racial/ethnic "superidentity". The left is generally very much unconcerned about ethnicity</i><br /><br />There are 2 glaring error here.<br /><br />1) Insofar as the "reactionary right", why (in the Nazi Party anthem <i>Horst Wesssel Lied</i>) is our protagonist battling against "reactionaries"? If reactionaries are, as you put it, on the right, where did that put a Nazi hero like Wessel?<br /><br />2) Regaring ethnicity and the left not being concerned with it, are you of the belief that anti-Jewish <i>pograms</i> never occured inside the Soviet Union?<br />Is it small-government conservatives who are trying to push a bill through the American congress to recognive the hodgepodge of ethnicities on the Hawaiian Islands as a "tribe" or is it liberal democrats doing so?J Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12746127431922685446noreply@blogger.com