tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post8550166077811717728..comments2023-05-11T04:57:33.365-07:00Comments on Trees For Lunch: What If Jesus Had Never Been Born? The VikingsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-16398986133615512672010-06-27T12:53:42.065-07:002010-06-27T12:53:42.065-07:00"Against the Roman Papacy, an Institution of ..."Against the Roman Papacy, an Institution of the Devil".<br /><br />Did Luther ever advocate doing anything to the Catholics the things that the wanted done to the Jews?Reynoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316048340050664487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-82386577520187451452010-06-27T11:09:42.039-07:002010-06-27T11:09:42.039-07:00By their name one could imply that those at Conser...By their name one could imply that those at <i>Conservapedia</i> do have a bias. Which is fine as far as I'm concerned given that how the worldviews of the editors/administrators are announced up front, whereas <i>Wiki</i>'s is more subtle and hidden.<br /><br /><i>I expect in a few decades, they'll be writting:<br />"Some of Hitler’s speeches seem quite vulgar by today's standards, but much of it was also in response..."</i><br /><br />You missed the discussion on this topic. If you believe that Hitler was a conservative in the small government, American sese of the word then I have some good, used <i>lederhosen</i> I would like to sell to you. <a href="http://treesforlunch.blogspot.com/2010/03/rethinking-political-spectrum.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a>J Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12746127431922685446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-80250803648203117792010-06-27T00:01:06.423-07:002010-06-27T00:01:06.423-07:00Ah, Conservapedia is so biased, it's always go...Ah, Conservapedia is so biased, it's always good for a laugh.<br />I expect in a few decades, they'll be writting:<br />"Some of Hitler’s speeches seem quite vulgar by today's standards, but much of it was also in response..."Flutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04636653543618773903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-26585444913332318792010-06-26T19:17:09.284-07:002010-06-26T19:17:09.284-07:00"Luther harshly criticized many peoples in ad..."Luther harshly criticized many peoples in addition to Jews; a pamphlet of his in 1545, the year before he died, was entitled "Against the Roman Papacy, an Institution of the Devil." It is also recorded that at a round table discussion he said he believed in burning witches. Some of Luther’s writings seem quite vulgar by today's standards, but much of it was also in response to vulgar accusations against his religious views." <a href="http://www.conservapedia.com/Martin_Luther#Jews" rel="nofollow">Link</a>J Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12746127431922685446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-68648436849409325562010-06-26T10:16:39.137-07:002010-06-26T10:16:39.137-07:00Just read up on those books I mentioned.
Beside...Just read up on those books I mentioned. <br /><br />Besides, it was the first xians who first started calling Jews "christ-killers".<br /><br />That at least, had not much to do with money. The origins of anti-semitism are complicated. What is certain is that christianity had a huge role in it's development, whether economically driven or not.Reynoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316048340050664487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-38336450028240013182010-06-25T23:41:30.296-07:002010-06-25T23:41:30.296-07:00Meh. The relationship between Christianity and th...Meh. The relationship between Christianity and the Odinist set has always been a complicated one. Without the Vikings we'd have not had Protestantism; though without the Roman panopoly we'd not have had Catholicism. The best that can be said is that it's a complicated relationship.<br /><br />Contra Reynolds, it is always those that desire more currency than they have that give rise anti-semitism. It's a historical and economic issue more to do with government and basic fraud than any philosophic or religious school.Jquiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12391075666581691159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-63123126431291545112010-06-25T21:15:59.786-07:002010-06-25T21:15:59.786-07:00I know this will be kind of off the topic of vikin...I know this will be kind of off the topic of vikings, but as to the more general topic of xianity taking credit for everything good, I figure this comment is on topic. <br /><br />To me, no Christ, no christian tradition of anti-semitism could have arisen in Europe. <br /><br />Read how Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies) and Hitler (Mein Kampf) became antisemites. <br /><br />Read about the long christian tradition of antisemitism. "The Jew and The Cross" by Dagobert Runes.<br /><br />No need to bring up witch burnings...this alone shows that your religion has been at best a mixed blessing...like any other philosophy.Reynoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316048340050664487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-54853473652732780182010-06-25T06:24:29.639-07:002010-06-25T06:24:29.639-07:00JD,
I'm on hiatus as this first week of summe...JD,<br /><br />I'm on hiatus as this first week of summer, every year for as long as I can remember, sister-in-law comes for ten days with her three kids and their friends along with some of our kids and grandkids to spend the week enjoying the natural beauty of our area-<br /><br /><a href="http://www.wearesmrt.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=4573" rel="nofollow">Check it out!</a><br /><br />Your free ride will soon be over..........Froggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12972110380349786742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-79959224555755611492010-06-24T20:23:31.591-07:002010-06-24T20:23:31.591-07:00GTA,
Given that Wikipedia is rife with problems c...GTA,<br /><br />Given that <i>Wikipedia</i> is rife with problems concerning facts and biases, I checked with the <i>Encyclopedia Brittanica</i>. They had the following to say about the Viking Age...<br /><br />"The term Viking Age has come to denote those years from about 800 to 1050 when Scandinavians set out on innumerable plundering expeditions abroad. <b>Surplus population, superior ships and weapons, well-developed military organization, and a spirit of adventure seem to have combined to cause this great movement</b>. <a href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/420178/Norway/39303/Christianization" rel="nofollow">Link</a>.J Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12746127431922685446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-11544875163116064402010-06-24T19:14:19.242-07:002010-06-24T19:14:19.242-07:00Shhhh,
Don't say anything. Maybe Froggie wil...Shhhh,<br /><br />Don't say anything. Maybe Froggie will stumble in here with an obligatory witch-burn reference. I thought I would have at least one by now.J Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12746127431922685446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-27505076064066969632010-06-24T18:17:27.309-07:002010-06-24T18:17:27.309-07:00Apparently he's Catholic and relatively privat...Apparently he's Catholic and relatively private about it, Feeno.SmartLXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447028072345461620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-41037475114708886462010-06-24T18:04:27.956-07:002010-06-24T18:04:27.956-07:00I hope Brett Favre is a Viking again this year. D...I hope Brett Favre is a Viking again this year. Does anyone know if he is a Believer?<br /><br />Late, feenofeenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07483769284197614547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-89622027378074853932010-06-24T17:37:20.387-07:002010-06-24T17:37:20.387-07:00JD, check out this Wikipedia entry on the Viking A...JD, check out this Wikipedia entry on the Viking Age. I quote: <br /><br /><i>"With the means of travel (longships and open water), their desire for goods led Scandinavian traders to explore and develop extensive trading partnerships in new territories. It has been suggested that the <b>Scandinavians suffered from unequal trade practices imposed by Christian advocates and that this eventually led to the breakdown in trade relations and raiding. </b> British merchants who declared openly that they were Christian and would not trade with heathens and infidels (Muslims and the Norse) would get preferred status for availability and pricing of goods through a Christian network of traders. A two-tiered system of pricing existed with both declared and undeclared merchants trading secretly with banned parties. Viking raiding expeditions were separate from and coexisted with regular trading expeditions. A people with the tradition of raiding their neighbours when their honour had been impugned <b>might easily fall to raiding foreign peoples who impugned their honour.</b>"</i> Link: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Age#Probable_causes_of_Viking_expansion" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Age#Probable_causes_of_Viking_expansion</a><br /><br />In other words it was partly retribution for being treated unfairly by arrogant Christian trading nations. And when their kings finally converted to Christianity (which was done for political reasons), trade relations improved, and they didn't need to go raiding anymore.Gun-Toting Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16257243603888510320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4434842591971703006.post-73991351166566111522010-06-24T16:20:29.832-07:002010-06-24T16:20:29.832-07:00Wrong alternative.
The facts of the matter are pr...Wrong alternative.<br /><br />The facts of the matter are pretty straightforward; several brutal practices were outlawed by rulers who had converted to Christianity in order to follow the rules of Christianity. The question is not whether the movement away from the practices was secular, because it wasn't. The question is whether it <em>could</em> have been, and eventually <em>would</em> have been if Christianity had never reached the Vikings, and whether therefore Christianity is taking credit for something which was going to happen regardless.<br /><br />The "could" at least is a given, because tribal rituals both brutal and harmless have been stamped out by regimes both theocratic and secular, including places Christianity didn't get to until much later. The "would" has high probability for the same reason, so I think the conclusion is literally reasonable.SmartLXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447028072345461620noreply@blogger.com