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Sunday, December 20, 2009

Chavez Begins to Abandon the Pretense


The competition for Who Will Become The Next Hitler Watch took an interesting turn yesterday with the following press release, dateline Caracas, in which Hugo Chavez announced the formation of his own version of Brownshirts...

"President Hugo Chavez launched a federal police force on Sunday that he hopes will change the overwhelmingly negative image most Venezuelans have of their public security forces while reducing crime in one of Latin America's most violent countries. "We are going to defeat crime," Chavez told uniformed cadets belonging to the newly formed National Bolivarian Police Force during his weekly television and radio show....Justice Minister Tareck El Aissami said the nascent police force would seek to reduce crime through preventative rather than repressive measures and embrace the socialist ideals of Chavez's "Bolivarian Revolution," a political movement named after 19th-century independence hero Simon Bolivar...."The National Police will impose a culture of peace in the barrios to eliminate the violence of the capitalist, bourgeois model that we've inherited," El Aissami said."

As someone who has traveled to Venezuela seven times over the course of the last few years, I think I have more insight concerning the actual situation on the ground there than your average internet blowhard. The majority of people who are A. sufficiently educated to the level of a Bachelors Degree or higher, or B. are entrepenuers and have an inkling as to how a small business works are against Chavez. Great numbers of the poorly educated and/or poorer classes think the guy is great or kid themselves that he is because they see no other political figure on the horizon to replace him, former Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez included if for no other reason than a street smart sense of pragmatism that Chavez's goons would never permit it.


El Assami is an *ahem* interesting character. Given his alleged ties to such freedom loving organizations as Hamas and Hezbollah, continued vigilance of his activities is a little more than just prudent. This of course, is coupled with the fact that for the last several years, there have been weekly flights between Tehran and Caracas with a stop in Damascus and let's just say that I'm less than enthusiastic that the Chavez government would be vigilant in keeping out suspected bad guys.

My sources inside of Venezuela have mentioned that Chavez has the appearance of being "Chinese-eyed" in his weekly television screed broadcast in which they speculate about the possibility of recreational drug on the part of el presidente. This of course puts speculation as to why members of the elite, Hollywood left would want to "hang out" with the guy in a somewhat different light.

One other point raised in the above article that some on the left buy into is the description of Chavez's power grab reforms as "Bolivarian". Given that Simon Bolivar had a thorough command of the Spanish language, was a military man who actually experinced battle and was labeled a conservative, any description of his so called "revolution" as "Boliverian" only gives credence to the old Hitler/Goebbels saw about repeating the Big Lie often enough, then the people will actually believe it.


29 comments:

Ginx said...

I'm curious... if Chavez is the "next Hitler," who are his "Jews?" Or is he actually nothing like Hitler...

Not saying I like the guy, just saying I think you can do better than falling back on Godwin's Law.

GCT said...

"As someone who has traveled to Venezuela seven times over the course of the last few years, I think I have more insight concerning the actual situation on the ground there than your average internet blowhard."

So, that means you're a better than average blowhard?

JD Curtis said...

if Chavez is the "next Hitler," who are his "Jews?" Or is he actually nothing like Hitler

You mean like his scapegoats to deflect attention from himself and rally support as he usurps more power? That's a good question. It might be the Jews themselves if there are any left. They seem to know which way the wind is blowing there and are leaving the country in en masse.

"Observers like the Simon Wiesenthal Center and Latin America expert Andres Oppenheimer cite “a well-orchestrated [anti-Semitic] campaign” that has been taking place on Venezuela’s government sponsored radio and television stations, newspapers and websites such as Aporrea.

Stoking anti-Semitic fervor, such outlets frequently compare Israel to Nazi Germany and denounce “international Jewish conspiracies.” Meanwhile, an association of reporters urged Venezuelans to boycott local businesses owned by Venezuelan Jews. And the media is not alone in fueling anti-Jewish incitement." Link

He doesnt appear to be particularly fond of evangelical Christians either. Link

So, that means you're a better than average blowhard?

That's INTERNET Blowhard G. Please remember what type of forum we are in :-)

GCT said...

Hitler would not have been able to use the Jews in that fashion if not for the centuries of Xian hatred toward the Jews.

JD Curtis said...

Hitler would not have been able to use the Jews in that fashion if not for the centuries of Xian hatred toward the Jews

"It would be misleading to give the impression that the perscution of Protestants and Catholics by the Nazi state tore the German people assunder or even greatly aroused the vast majority of them. It did not. A people that had so lightly given up their political, cultural and economic freedoms were not, except for a relative few, going to die or even risk imprisonment for freedom of worship. What really aroused the Germans in the Thirties were the glittering successes of Hitler in providing jobs, creating properity, restoring Germany's military might and moving from one triumph to another in his foreign policy. Not many Germans lost sleep over the arrest of a few thousad pastors and priests or over the quarreling of the various Protestant sects. And even fewer paused to reflect that under the leadership of Rosenburg, Bormann and Himmler, who were backed by Hitler, the Nazi regime intended to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old Paganism of the early tribal, Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists. As Bormann, one of the men closest to Hitler, said publicly in 1941, "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable."

Shirer, William L. The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, pgs. 239-240.

If Germans who could be considered "culturally Christian" werent going to help persecuted Christians, they werent going to speak out in defense of Jews either.

JD Curtis said...

OT: Colombia to Chavez: Maybe 'spyplane' was Santa Claus

"BOGOTA -- Colombia's defense chief joked Monday that Venezuelan troops might have mistaken Santa's sleigh for a spy plane, dismissing accusations by President Hugo Chavez about drones flying over Venezuela. Chavez on Sunday accused the United States of violating Venezuela's airspace with an unmanned spy plane and ordered his military to be on alert and shoot down any such aircraft.

The Pentagon has declined to comment on Chavez's accusations." Link to full article.

GCT said...

Oh please. Hitler laced his writings with proclamations to god, the Xian god. He was a catholic. He tapped into the well-known bigotry, anger, and resentment of Jews in Xians throughout most of history. It's not like Jews were loved in other Xian nations. Jews regularly were accused of host desecration, needing the blood of Xians in order to live, etc. The Jews were reviled by most Xians in Europe, as they had been for centuries. Are you really going to contest that?

Tracy said...

GCT-Hitler was not Catholic, he was protestant as was most of Germany. Unfortunately the Catholic church chose to make a kind of pact with him where they both left the other alone. He took and made a state religion; and fortunately there were many heroes such as Deterich Bonehoeffer who saw how against the Bible teachings Hitler was and separated himself from the state religion. But you're right in that Hitler utilized Christian religion as one of the tools in his bag of manipulative ploys. Sadly you're also correct that there is a long history of anti antisemitism amongst all people including, Christians. I've always thought that such a small group of people, being so actively hated throughout time, just demonstrates those prophetic scriptures regarding these chosen people of God.

JD Curtis said...

He (Hitler) was a catholic

Do you realize what you've discovered here G? By your (shoddy) logic, Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens are now Anglicans. Please email them and inform them of the error of their ways and to stop their phony proselytizing of you currently shared, non-theistic religion and reveal themselves for what they truly are.

In order to support this Hitler-Catholic claim of yours, please tell me 3 things for starters.

1. Was Hitler a daily, weekly or monthly communicant?

2. What percentage of his income did he tithe and to what parish(es)?

3. Who was his parish priest in adulthood?

He tapped into the well-known bigotry, anger, and resentment of Jews in Xians throughout most of history.

Yes he did. He also tapped into other things like patriotism and class envy. He did alot of devious things in order to obtain power.

Ginx said...

She [Hitler's maid] added: "I didn't have to be a Nazi party member or anything. After a while I relaxed a bit. Apparently it was Hitler's orders that Anni and I be taken to church every Sunday because he thought this would be 'good for us.'"

Hitler was Catholic in a predominantly Protestant country. His religion was only hinted at, but anyone who has read Mein Kampf can attest to the Christian terminology he used quite frequently. He was either a Christian or very good at pretending (and he had no reason to pretend).

But really, it doesn't matter who any one person's religion was or is. Some Christians blame atheism for atheist despots, and some atheists do the same with the religious. Yet somehow, both sides have no problem overlooking the truth when the falsehood is applied to their "team": unchecked power, not faith (or the lack thereof), is the cause of all tyrants.

Ginx said...

Also, Israel is a human rights violation of massive proportions, and its continued existence is the greatest hurdle for peace in our time. I say this as my wife (who has dual American and Israeli citizenship) is just feet from me, nodding in agreement.

As for Venezuela... yeah, I wish Chavez would respect democracy, but then again I wish America had in 2000.

GCT said...

Thank you Ginx for the assist with Hitler's beliefs and also the last paragraph in that same comment. I was simply responding to the inevitable comment that Hitler was not a true Xian.

Tracy,
"I've always thought that such a small group of people, being so actively hated throughout time, just demonstrates those prophetic scriptures regarding these chosen people of God."

I didn't realize you were Jewish.

JD,
"Yes he did. He also tapped into other things like patriotism and class envy. He did alot of devious things in order to obtain power."

That's also true. What I'm reacting to is your attempt to distance Xianity from any sort of responsibility for these actions. Xians hated the Jews (some still do) and the churches of the time taught that this hatred was correct. The historical version of Xianity is quite different from the supposed "peace and love" version that we have today. You'd do well to remember that.

JD Curtis said...

GCT, I note that you still havent provided any evidence whatsoever that Hitler was any more Catholic in his adult life than Dawkins or Hitchins are could be considered Anglicans.


"the notion that the church either gave birth to Hitler or walked hand-in-hand with him as a partner is, simply, slander. Hitler himself knew better. "One is either a Christian or a German," he said. "You can't be both." Link

JD Curtis said...

from the above cited article.....

We are not aware of any published sources from acknowledged academic historians or writers that identify Adolf Hitler as significantly Catholic or Christian in his motivations as an adult. If anybody writes to us to point out such resources, we will be happy to cite them and refer to them here.

See? You can make yourselves famous.

GCT said...

Try Mein Kampf.

JD Curtis said...

Is Mein Kampf a "published source from (an) acknowledged academic historian"?

Ginx said...

Is Mein Kampf a "published source from (an) acknowledged academic historian"?

I guess some people won't even acknowledge it from the horse's mouth.

JD, you are truly the master of denying the obvious.

JD Curtis said...

"The atheist Left in America considers itself the polar opposite of the Nazis of Hitler’s Germany, but the Nazis were viciously radical Leftists who hated any belief system that preached the existence of a loving Creator who enjoined his creatures to love one another.

It should not surprise us, then, to learn that the Nazis seventy-five years ago waged an unrelenting and ruthless war against Christianity in schools. I deal with the whole subject at length in my new book, The Swastika against the Cross: The Nazi War on Christianity. What follows is a sample of the historical record.

Only clergymen were allowed to teach religious classes, and those clergymen were forced to teach according to the anti-Christian instructions of the Nazi Ministry of Education. When in Wurrtemberg, clergymen refused to follow Nazi teachings on religion, seven hundred were banned from the classroom. The Nazis did not stop there: Christian prayers were banned from the public classroom and crucifixes were physically removed as well (just as the ACLU would have wished.)

By 1935, the virulently anti-Christian leader of the Hitler Youth, Baldur von Shirach issued a regulation that prohibited any child from belonging simultaneously to a church youth group and the Hitler Youth, and gradually membership in the Hitler Youth became almost obligatory – parents were told that their children would not get jobs in the civil service unless they belonged to the Hitler Youth and employers were told not to hire children who did not belong to the Hitler Youth." Link to full article. Please educate yourself when you get the chance G. It's for your own good ;-)

Hugo said...

Hey! just trolling from blogs to blogs tonight ;)

This comment thread is just great. Here are the highlights of what I really enjoyed reading through, concerning Hitler’s beliefs in a god.

GCT: ... Hitler laced his writings with proclamations to god, the Xian god. He was a catholic...

JD: ...Do you realize what you've discovered here G? By your (shoddy) logic, Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens are now Anglicans...

Ginx: ... Hitler was Catholic in a predominantly Protestant country. His religion was only hinted at, but anyone who has read Mein Kampf can attest to the Christian terminology he used quite frequently. He was either a Christian or very good at pretending...

JD: ...I note that you still havent provided any evidence whatsoever that Hitler was any more Catholic in his adult life than Dawkins or Hitchins are could be considered Anglicans. [...]If anybody writes to us to point out such resources, we will be happy to cite them and refer to them here.

GCT: Try Mein Kampf.

OK, PAUSE.

Evidently, the point of GCT and Ginx concerning Hitler’s beliefs was that he did, at least at some point in his ADULT life, believed in a god that could be described as the Christian God. The evidence proposed is the book Mein Kampf, whose author is usually well known, but apparently not to everybody...

JD: Is Mein Kampf a "published source from (an) acknowledged academic historian"?

Ginx: I guess some people won't even acknowledge it from the horse's mouth. JD, you are truly the master of denying the obvious.

JD : [...] Please educate yourself when you get the chance G. It's for your own good ;-)

WOW, epic FAIL... sorry JD.

JD Curtis said...

OK Hugo. What mainstream historian of note has come forward and said that Hitler was "significantly Catholic or Christian in his motivations as an adult"?
Any?

Hugo said...

@JD

Oh don't ask me, I have absolutely no clue. But Hitler did talk about a god he seemed to believe in in his book, that's all I know... but it's only from quotes, I would never read that book...

Anyway, I could not care less because, no matter what beliefs a person holds, the action of the person are not an indication of the veracity of the beliefs.

The funny point here was mainly that you did not know that Mein Kampf had been written by Hitler himself and tried to discard it by asking if it had been written by an historian...

...and after all you seem to don't give a shit because you asked if any historian "said that Hitler was significantly Catholic or Christian in his motivations as an adult"...

Apparently, it's more important what other people say about Hitler than what Hitler wrote himself! lol

JD Curtis said...

The funny point here was mainly that you did not know that Mein Kampf had been written by Hitler himself and tried to discard it by asking if it had been written by an historian

Hugo, turn in your Zeus of Reason card RIGHT NOW Mister. What percentage of educated adults in the Western world do not know that Adolf Hitler authored Mein Kampf?

There are no "published source(s) from (an) acknowledged academic historian(s) that claim the Hitler was significantly Christian in his adult life. Period.

I'm still waiting for an answer to

A.If he was a daily, weekly or even monthly communicant
B. What percentage did he tithe to his church, and
C. Who was his parish priest in adulthood?

If he was anywhere near as Catholic as he is being portrayed, there would be something known as answers to these questions posted quickly and with supporting links.

Why instead is there nothing but obfuscation followed by silence. Can't anybody answer these simple questions? (Insert the sound of crickets chirping here)

Hugo said...

Hugo, turn in your Zeus of Reason card RIGHT NOW Mister. What percentage of educated adults in the Western world do not know that Adolf Hitler authored Mein Kampf?

lol, nice call on the card here.
Well I guess a lot of people would not know, but in a discussion concerning Hitler, they would not say "Please educate yourself" to the person they are talking with.

As for your questions, I am not the one who's going to answer, I told you already, it's pointless, why do you care yourself?
Oh and if you read what I wrote again, I did specify that he talked about beliefs in a god, not necessarily being Catholic because that's even less relevant, who cares what religion he might have been close too, the point is that he appeared to believe in a god, i.e., not being an Atheist as he is often portrayed by idiots who think that this makes Atheism a bad thing somehow...

JD Curtis said...

As for your questions, I am not the one who's going to answer, I told you already, it's pointless, why do you care yourself?

Agreed. Then again, I'm not the one that claimed he was Catholic. That was GCT.

Oh and if you read what I wrote again, I did specify that he talked about beliefs in a god, not necessarily being Catholic because that's even less relevant, who cares what religion he might have been close too, the point is that he appeared to believe in a god

I think that he made mention of a "god of nature" which I believe is pagan in origin.

We still havent gotten around to either the Barmen Declaration or the National Reich Church.

JD Curtis said...

This one makes the best explanation for Hitler and what made him tick (IMHO)...

"...no psyche in human history has been so thoroughly mined for various explanatory pathologies, and few subjects have offered a richer lode. "The search for Hitler", writes Ron Rosenbaum in Explaining Hitler, "has apprehended not one coherent, consensus image of Hitler but rather many different Hitlers, competeing Hitlers, conflicting embodiements of competeing visions." Psychologists and historians have argued that Hitler's personalities stem from the fact(s) that he was abused by his father, had a history of incest in his family, was a sadomaschist, a coprophiliac, a homosexual, or was part Jewish (or feared that he was)." These theories vary in plausibility. But what is certain is that Hitler's megalomania was the product of a rich complex of psychological maladies and impulses. Taken as a whole, they point to a man who felt he had much to compensate for and whose egocentrisms knew no bounds. "I have to attain immortality," hitler once confessed, "even if the whole German nation perishes in the process."

Goldberg, Jonah: Liberal Fascism, Chapter 2, Adolf Hitler, Man of the Left, 2007, Doubleday.

Ginx said...

JD would benefit greatly from a history book. I'm taking donations.

GCT said...

Agreed Ginx, except for one thing. JD thinks his beliefs are more valid than reality, that simply because he believes something that it must be so, regardless of whether it is or not. Witness his denials of evolution and climate change for example. Also, he'll hold to the no true Scotsman no matter what. Anything that he likes is consonant with Xianity, and anything he doesn't is consonant with atheism.

'What's that you say? Xians all hated Jews and Hitler fed off of that hatred? Didn't happen, because it paints Xians in a bad light and I don't believe it happened.'

It's sad really.

Ginx said...

I didn't see it until now, but I just noticed the birther banner in the top left of this site.

*sigh*

This explains a lot.

Where's Jesus' birth certificate? I think he was born of Mary and Joseph. Unless someone comes forward with any real proof he's God's son, I'm going to just assume he's Joseph's. It would make more sense, since Joseph was a descendent of David, which actually would fulfill the prophecy.

Hugo said...

I just noticed the birther banner in the top left of this site

LOL, good point Ginx, I would have never have spotted it, I usually ignore the banners on blogs as it's often the Google AdSense who put them there so it's barely related, but you're correct, this one is not a commercial ;)

Where are the ones for the fake moon landing? 2012? the New World order? 9/11 inside job?